The Thirteenth Hour Podcast #41: Pocketknives

Episode #41: Pocketknives, more Knife Throwing, and EDC

https://archive.org/download/13thHrEps16On/Podcast%2041.mp3

Today’s episode is all about gadgets people carry in their pockets (or in bags), though it mostly focuses on pocketknives.  Those of who who’ve watched Angus Macgyver at work know he can do pretty much anything with a Swiss Army knife and a paperclip, so these things are handy to have.

Clicking on the above link will take you to an exhaustive page that showcases all the different Swiss Army knife models he Macgyver used through the series – in case you were wondering.

The Great Brain (Great Brain #1) More Adventures of the Great Brain (Great Brain #2)

Two of the covers of the Great Brain books witten by John D. Fitzgerald.  There are 5 others (plus one published from the author’s notes after his death).  I do believe these books made me interested in carrying a pocketknife when I read them as a child, though I probably would have shredded my hands with one.

My folks wisely had me wait a few years.  My father eventually bought me one like this at a local hardware store:

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A Schrade Old Timer Middleman stockman-style pocketknife.

The box had a little manual that distinctly read “never throw your knife!” (whoops)  The one I had was made with high carbon steel (which is softer than stainless steel- meaning it can be sharpened to a finer edge – but prone to rusting if not kept oiled/dry).  The blades looked darker than those in this picture if I remember right.  I had it through most of adolescence until it eventually slipped out of my pocket somewhere while in college, going to that mysterious place where lost pens, umbrellas, and socks go.  Schrade as a company unfortunately went out of business in the 2000s.  Taylor Knives took over this particular line and continues to manufacture them, through that has been outsourced to China now.

Logan from The Thirteenth Hour loses his knife, too.  In fact, he loses all his gear in the beginning of the quest, though he finds some new pocket swag in the course of this travels, including a new knife that he muses might be good for throwing.  That’s written about elsewhere, but I eventually found some knives made by the same company that wouldn’t get lost so easily – the Schrade Cliphanger line, which has a little detachable carabiner that clips to your pocket but doesn’t interefere with the rest of the knife.  They only have one blade, which was stainless steel, but at least that means less maintenance.  Plus, the blade locks in place.  I’ve had a number over the years.

Unfortunately, they’re not so easy to find these days, either, but I recently found an older one made in the USA on eBay.  It needed some work, but after some minor fixes and resharpening, it was good to go.

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Sharpening the blade took a fair amount of work since one edge came heavily beveled, but I eventually got it sharp enough.  Not going to use it to shave anytime soon, but good enough to cut paper and such.

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For whatever reason, this knife makes a great thrower.  That’s written about elsewhere, so I’ll just let the video clips provide explanation:

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Overhand no spin throw from 10 feet.

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Overhand no spin throw from 15 feet.  More than this distance, and I find it difficult to control the rotation of the knife with this small a throwing implement.  This particular blade is especially forgiving.  I think it has something to do with the clip point style blade and the thumb stud, which on this model is metal, and adds some extra weight to the blade, which balances it better (most pocketknives are handle heavy and not very well balanced for throwing).

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Overhand no spin throw from 15 feet in first person point of view.  I tried to keep the camera steady but obviously failed.  The plus side is that you can see the rocking back motion and the follow through, especially the right index finger which imparts some backspin on the thrown knife to retard its rotation.  More about this technique here.

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In other news, The Thirteenth Hour soundtrack has a new track!  “The Imperial Ranger March” was released on the soundtrack’s bandcamp page this past Friday.  You can find more tracks there plus previews and discussion of music and movies that inspired the soundtrack on Instagram @the13thhr.ost.

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The Thirteenth Hour Podcast #38: Knife Throwing

Episode #38: Knife Throwing

https://archive.org/download/13thHrEps16On/Podcast%2038.mp3

Today’s episode is all about throwing knives and other pointy things, like screwdrivers.  It refers to a few past posts:

https://13thhr.wordpress.com/2015/02/15/logans-everyday-carry-edc-from-the-thirteenth-hour/

-A section of The The Thirteenth Hour where the main character, Logan, finds a pocketknife and contemplates fleetingly whether it would make a good throwing knife as well as the ending fight, where he lobs a large sword.

https://13thhr.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/ever-wanted-to-throw-knives-like-chuck-norris/

-A previous post that discusses no-spin knife throwing, inspired by Ralph Thorn’s teachings.  The post step-by-step how to perform the technique.  Includes many links to references as well as a few video clips, like this one, where I’m throwing a screwdriver and a large cut-down nail:

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That post also formed the basis for the short how-to article for The Backwoodsman magazine, a bi-monthly outdoor publication (where to get it).  The article came out in the most recent (May/June) issue, and you can see a picture of part of the article on this past Thursday’s instagram posting.  I didn’t realize this when I recorded this episode, but the magazine is also available in digital format as well.  I encourage you to see if you can find the article through the magazine to support the folks that put it together (plus, there are lots of other great DIY articles).  But I know not everyone will be able to find a copy.  So … mailing list subscribers can get a .pdf of the article I originally submitted to the magazine, so check out the link below to join if you haven’t already if you’re interested.

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In other news, The Thirteenth Hour soundtrack has a new song!  “Song of an Unsung Hero” (which takes its name from a poem in the novel, The Thirteenth Hour), has lyrics here and was released on Friday.  You can find more tracks on bandcamp plus previews and discussion of music and movies that inspired the soundtrack on Instagram @the13thhr.ost.

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Ever wanted to throw knives like Chuck Norris?

When Chuck Norris throws a throwing knife, the knife doesn’t kill his victim, the force of the air did.

The first actual martial arts movie I remember watching when I was actually studying martial arts was a 1982 Chuck Norris flick called Forced Vengeance.  If you haven’t heard of it, to be honest, you ain’t really missing much (it gets a whopping 38% on Rotten Tomatoes.  If you want to skip over the story and get right to the action sequences, watch this shorter version on YouTube.  Or, if you’re from Hong Kong, it has lots of shots of pre-1997 Hong Kong, which is interesting from a nostalgia point of view).

But when I was 13, I knew nothing about Hong Kong and certainly didn’t care about movie ratings.  This was in the days before we had internet access and demonstrations and video instruction of martial arts were still firmly in the domain of companies like Panther Videos that sold overpriced, overdubbed VHS tapes in the back of martial arts magazines.  So although I often looked at those ads and decided that one day, when I had a job, I would buy a bunch, I figured the next best thing in the meantime to supplement my current martial arts training (tae kwon do, at the time) with techniques from martial arts movies.  You can only learn so much from static pictures in books.  Sometimes you just need to see it in action.

I’m not entirely sure how I figured out which movies were martial arts in nature or when they would be on TV, since we didn’t get TV Guide or a local paper, but I distinctly remember taping a few, like Bloodsport and the aforementioned Forced Vengeance, getting up early on a Saturday or Sunday morning, putting the tape in the VCR, and holding pen and paper in hand to take notes on what kicking and punching combinations the actors used.  Yup.  I’m sure you can find a lot of weird things in that chain of events, not the least of which was that I figured if it were good enough for the likes of Chuck Norris and Jean Claude Van Damme, it certainly was good enough for me.  Of course, it never occurred to me that the least practical fighting combinations were the ones used on television, but such was life as a kid. The more jump and spin in the kicks, the cooler they were.  There were plenty of both in the movie’s slow motion intro, which, I have to admit, if nothing else, was a solid contribution to my personal inventory of 1980s cinema.

In any event, there was this scene near the end of the flick where Chuck Norris threw a knife (his only remaining weapon, by the way) at a guard standing on a cliff face 50+ feet away.

Even at the time, I assumed that when someone threw a knife, it would spin end over end like a pinwheel.  That was what happened on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles when Raphael threw his sai, which, coincidentally the cartoon made out to be a great throwing weapon that always landed point first.  Chuck’s knife also landed point first, as you can guess from the pictures, but, interestingly, it seemed to fly straight, like a dart.

And that didn’t compute at the time.  But although I didn’t know it, that was my first introduction to no-spin knife throwing.

No spin knife throwing, the subject of this post, is a technique of throwing a pointed implement like a knife so it does not rotate end over end, but rather flies straight, like a javelin.  In actuality, the term “no-spin” is a bit of a misnomer, since what the thrower really does is retard the inevitable spin of the blade long enough for it to reach the target while the point is still in front.

But first, before I progress further, let’s be real for a second.  Despite the fact that I often discuss martial arts on this blog, I’m not going to discuss the actual combat applications of knife throwing.  That’s not because I’m opposed to the discussion of activities involving harm to other people. To be clear, I don’t like that, either, but there are lots of commonly found hobbies based on activities previously used in war – target pistol shooting, javelin throwing, archery, not to mention martial arts like karate and jujitsu.  No, I’m not going to say anything about actual knife fighting since, frankly, I know nothing about it aside from the fact that I hope to never be in a situation where my one option is to start chucking knives.

The other thing I should discuss first is safety.  Although there is probably a public perception that throwing knives is dangerous for all involved (as evidenced by the fact that throwing knives and throwing stars are illegal in many areas – probably since they look dangerous in the movies), it’s less dangerous that one would think.  That’s not to say that throwing knives at stationary targets that can’t run or fight back is entirely safe, either.  But if you take reasonable precautions, it’s not much different from throwing darts.  For now, it’s probably enough to say that you’re throwing something sharp, and you don’t want the sharp end anywhere near the bodies of you or anyone else, especially vulnerable parts like the eyes and neck.  When I talk about throwing below, we’ll discuss some common sense ways to stay safe.

Now that’s on the table, let’s talk a little about what no spin throwing is, for it’s different from the style practiced by circus knife throwers that throw at set distances and must factor in how many revolutions the knife will rotate before reaching the target.  No spin throwing is defiantly not new, given that martial arts such as ninjutsu have used no spin techniques to throw bo-shuriken (spikes) for centuries.  But I will say that the majority of what I learned about it comes from the teachings of one man, Ralph Thorn, who wrote a little book called Combat Knife Throwing and starred in an instructional video by the same name.  He described a technique he created to throw a wide variety of sharp implements in a rather instinctive way from a range of distances.  Unlike throws where the knife rotates, it isn’t necessary to change how one holds the knife (handle- or blade-first) with this method.  It does have its limitations but is quite versatile and easy to pick up.

Mr. Thorn’s technique makes use of a flexible wrist motion that essentially puts some backspin on the knife to counteract the knife’s natural tendency to want to rotate when thrown.  Using this method, the knife can essentially be thrown like a ball.  Within a range of about 10-15 feet or so, if done correctly, the blade will remain flying point first.  Those with more skill and/or using longer weapons can achieve greater distances.

Interestingly, Mr. Thorn also recommends starting with larger weapons, like old bayonets or cut down swords, since the greater length naturally resists rotation more, making them easier for beginners.  But since I could never find reasonably priced bayonets, even at flea markets (and certainly had no access to old swords), I just used what I had lying around – large screwdrivers and old pocket knives.  People will always say you shouldn’t throw pocket knives, and, in general, they’re correct, since throwing is stressful for any blade, and whatever you throw will suffer a beating. However, you can often find cheap pocket knives (under $5) at discount stores or flea markets that can actually work quite well and can be thrown successfully at short distances.  When they break (as just about all throwers inevitably do), you aren’t out much money.  Not everyone will want to go cheap, but, part of the point of this article is that you don’t have to spend a lot of money to have fun throwing sharp implements.  Your throwers won’t be as well matched as buying a set of factory made throwing knives, but that can be part of the challenge.

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Knife throwing can be done with household implements.  The spike to the left is a large, heavy nail minus the flat end.  The screwdriver on the right is about a foot long and was from a dollar store.  The two pocketknives to the left were both only a few bucks each.

It’s easier to understand all this with pictures, so let’s walk through the basic overhand throw.

1.) Find an acceptable target.  Even if you own your house or are single, resist the temptation to throw knives into your walls!  Drywall makes a poor sticking surface and will make a mess.  Knives will inevitably ricochet off the target, so beware of standing too close or using something too unforgiving.  It never hurts to wear eye protection.   A piece of styrofoam insulation, a broken suitcase filled with old clothes or rage, or a stack of flattened cardboard boxes duct taped together will work fine.

2.) Find the balance point of your knife.  The balance point is the fulcrum of where your knife wants to rotate when thrown.  Control it, and, to some degree, you control the rotation of the blade.  The other reason finding this point is important is that it is a reference point for where your grip should begin.  Here, I’m using the unfolded wooden handled Aitor pocketknife referred to in this post on Logan’s EDC:

… I did, however, find a pocket knife that needed no modifications in what looked like a razed general good store … It fit well in my hand and was heavy and balanced enough that I could probably throw it if need be, but I doubted I would, as knife throwing had not been a strong suit of mine in the Army, and I didn’t want to throw a knife away now that I had been lucky enough to locate one.

To be honest, it was designed to live its life as pocketknife, and it does a fine job of that.  Like Logan surmises, it’s serviceable but not great as a thrower.  Throws with it can be successful at short ranges, which is why I’m using it – to show that even an unlikely blade can be thrown – but heavier, longer knives will work much better.

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3.) Place your index finger on the spine edge of the handle at the balance point.  Your fingers should grip the handle loosely.

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4.) Bring your throwing arm up as if starting to throw a ball and lean back on your rear foot so most of your weight is on your rear facing side.  Point the tip of the blade toward the target.

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5.) As you cock your arm back, let your wrist extend backwards like in the photo.

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6.) As you move your arm forward in preparation for the release, let your wrist uncurl and keep your index finger extended so it glides down the spine of the knife handle.

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7.) As you throw, the action involves your entire body.  Follow through after releasing the blade by letting your arm drop and swing low.  Your rear leg may even come off the ground like a baseball pitcher:

Nolan Ryan (back when he played for the NY Mets) following through on a pitch.  You can do the same with your knife throws.  

To throw larger objects, I find myself leaning back more on the initial throw and delivering the throw with more of a straight arm lob.  But the wrist motion is still the same.

Here are some video clips I captured of the throwing action described above:

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Throwing two pocket knives (the wooden handled one above is the first throw) from a distance of about 8 feet.  

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Doing the same thing on the go.  

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The overhand lobbing motion used to throw larger, heavier objects (large nail and screwdriver).  Distance about 10-11 feet.

From here on out, it is just practice to achieve consistency.  Although it’s nice to stick the knife in the target, sometimes the knife doesn’t stick for reasons unrelated to your throw.  The target may be too hard, too bouncy, too absorbent, etc.  It’s a good idea when throwing to not stand too close should the knife ricochet back at you.  For that reason, don’t throw knives if there are pets or small children scurrying around in your periphery.

So, if you’ve read this far, you might be wondering if this will one day turn you into Chuck Norris, able to sling knives with sniper-like accuracy at 50+feet.  Well, for me, using the smaller knives I have access to, I don’t have much luck successfully throwing past about 15 feet since they inevitably start to rotate at that distance or I have zero consistency/accuracy.  But that’s just me.  At this point in life, aspiring to be Chuck Norris is no longer one of my goals.  To be fair, he doesn’t really need weapons, anyway.  He’s Chuck Norris!  But if you’re an average human, a 6-10 foot range is fine for an indoor basement or kitchen type setup and makes a nice cold weather project to work on!  Check out the links below for more details on technique as well as knives to use.

Resources:

There are many great resources out there that have much better video examples starring people much more skilled than I.  I’ll put links to them below:

Ralph Thorn’s instructional video clips

Ralph Thorn’s book on Amazon and his video:

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COMBAT KNIFE THROWING: The Video

Houzan Suzuki, a knife thrower from Japan, has an extensive youtube channel showcasing many no-spin throws inspired by traditional shuriken-jutsu.  A little different from what’s discussed above but related and amazing to watch.

Xolette (not sure how to pronounce that) has a youtube channel that highlights a lot of knife throwing videos, including this early one where she has a knife throwing range in her kitchen – it reviews the overhand no spin throw as described above.

The Combat Knife Thrower has a large collection of knife throwing videos on his youtube channel, some of which showcase and teach no-spin throwing.

Have fun and throw safely!

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Logan’s Everyday Carry (EDC) from The Thirteenth Hour

There are a number of sites out on the internet that show pictures of the stuff people carry in their pockets or in their bags.  If you google the terms “everyday carry” or “EDC” you’ll see what I mean.  At first, I thought this was kind of a joke or a spill-over of military terminology into civilian life, but the more I looked at the pictures, the more fascinating it became.  There really was a Boy Scoutish “prepared for anything” air about the collections of (mostly) knives, pens, wallets, survival gear, and watches.  These were folks who’d devoted a lot of time thinking about what they’d carry on their person, and man, if my family and I were on a plane going down over Siberia or something, I’d sure be hoping there were a few EDCers on board!

It’s probably not surprising I’d find this sort of thing interesting since I’m a guy, and it’s mostly guys posting pictures of their adult toys (knives, guns, pens, cameras, etc).  Occasionally, however, women will post pictures of the stuff they carry in their purses (a so-called “purse dump”), which always seems to draw interest.  And perhaps it should come as no surprise, since women were the original EDCers out there (especially women who happen to be mothers – they really have to prepared for everything.  But something tells me a mother’s diaper bag with pictures of diapers and butt cream may not be quite as interesting to the young-middle adult male demographic these sites seem to cater to.)

However, I digress.

Partly for kicks and partly in the spirit of The Thirteenth Hour, which doesn’t take itself too seriously, I created an EDC picture for Logan, the main character of the book.  He doesn’t actually carry much in the book – he loses all of his gear when his ship goes down, but he gains a few things here and there, and this inventory is from near the end of the book.

Without further ado, here’s Logan’s EDC:

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  1. Lightning (folded up)
  2. Burned wood handle pocket knife (actually an Aitor folding knife)
  3. Playing cards (for throwing)
  4. Apple (for eating)
  5. Tartec currency (useless in other parts of the world, but handy to have in Tartec)
  6. The scroll containing the instructions on how to make the Potion for Eternal Life
  7. Matches (x8)

Here are more details about some of the components:

1.) Lightning – Logan’s trusty talking magic silver hoverboard with an onboard monitor and computer (programmed by wizards) that he is given at the Palace of the Winds to allow him to speed around the world much faster than any sailing ship.

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Like George Jetson’s spaceship, it folds up into a compact, though heavy package about the size of an open hand.

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I wasn’t sure how to pull of the kind of wizardry needed to make a real-life prop like this for Logan’s EDC, so I wrapped a book in some aluminum foil:


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I knew that Spanish verb book would come in handy one of these days!

2.) Burned wood handle pocket knife – Logan finds a pocket knife on his journeys after losing all his gear when his ship goes down.  And that probably saved his bacon, because if there’s one things that’s really handy to have out in the woods, it’s a knife.  Here’s what Logan had to say about the one he found:

… I did, however, find a pocket knife that needed no modifications in what looked like a razed general good store. The hardwood handles had been singed, which didn’t add to its appearance – this was a strictly utilitarian blade – but it was sharp and the folding mechanism was strong and rust–free. It fit well in my hand and was heavy and balanced enough that I could probably throw it if need be, but I doubted I would, as knife throwing had not been a strong suit of mine in the Army, and I didn’t want to throw a knife away now that I had been lucky enough to locate one.

I went through a number of potential candidates to find Logan’s real-life knife.  Like the description, I was looking for something that had wooden handles and had an unadorned, working-man’s knife type of appearance.  There were a number of blades (both traditional and modern), mostly made in Europe, that I considered (pictures link to sites where you can buy the knives or learn more about them):

The Opinel folding knife (made in France)

Svord Peasant Mini Hardwood Fold Knife, Swedish high carbon tool steel blade, Hardwood handle PKM

The Svord peasant knife (made in New Zealand)

The Lierenaar folding knife (from Belgium)

The Baladeo olive wood handle pocket knife (made in France, I think)

Aitor Knives 16514 Castor Mediana Knife with Bubinga Wood Handles

Aitor Castor Mediana pocket knife (made in Spain)

The one in the EDC photo is the last one, made by Aitor.  All the knives in the list above look like fine blades and probably would have fit the bill.  However, I was looking for a knife made of high carbon steel, since I figured there wouldn’t have been stainless steel in the world Logan lived in, which narrowed down the list considerably, as well as something that wasn’t too handle heavy given Logan’s comment about knife throwing.  (Although this is a different topic altogether, yes, you can throw pocket knives, even ones that aren’t balanced evenly – google Ralph Thorn).  Lastly, I was aiming to find something that wasn’t very expensive.  Although there are many wood handled knives made by more expensive brands, I figured a guy like Logan (who was perpetually broke) wouldn’t have gotten his hands on them anyway.

In the end, the Aitor blade had all these requirements and had a bit of flair owing to the leaf shaped blade and bent handle while still carrying with it the feel of a utilitarian working knife.  I found it for about twenty bucks online.  The blade came quite sharp, easily able to shave off hair from the back of a hand and slice off a thin strip from a piece of paper.  There was no thumbnail groove or stud to pull the blade out (which had a remarkably strong spring and needed lubrication to open smoothly), but like the knife Logan found, the folding mechanism was strong and, despite not having a lock, unlikely to close on your hand unless you really mangled it.  The wood handles were exactly what I pictured, and yes, at close ranges (less than ten feet – haven’t tried it further), it threw nicely using a quarter turn throw (a.k.a. “no-spin” throw), though it had a tendency to rotate along its horizontal axis while in the air, maybe because of the bent shape of the handle).  For the picture, I Photoshopped burn marks onto the handle.

3.) Playing cards – speaking of throwing things, in the book, Logan comes across a novel that teaches him how to throw cards.  While this is a post for another time, yes, it’s also possible to throw cards so they fly (relatively) straight.  Magicians have been doing it for ages, but now thanks to the power of the internet, you can also learn how (many examples on youtube or look for Ricky Jay’s tongue-in-cheek “Card as Weapons” book).  Logan, though, learned from a book without pictures, though after months practicing while on his sea voyage, he was able to put the technique to good use later in his journey.

5.) Tartec currency – this collection of coins represents the extent of Logan’s disposable income – coins found here and there on the street of the capital city and through other means, which he hides in his mattress in the Imperial Army barracks (since it’s useless elsewhere in the world) and later retrieves when he returned from his quest.  Like Logan’s coins, the ones in the picture are useless as currency in the USA – two Euro coins, a Swedish Krona, a British pence, and an Ugandan shilling – though they are fun souvenirs from our own travels.

6.) The Potion for Eternal Life scroll – this scroll, given to Logan from the Dreamweaver, contains the ingredients to make a good cup of coffee … which isn’t really the secret to living forever, though it sometimes makes people feel like they could.  There’s a previous post I did about this little scroll, which I printed out on a piece of parchment-style paper.  Here’s one of the pictures of it unrolled:

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Interesting is seeing more (real-life, as opposed to fictional) EDC pictures?  Check out http://everydaycarry.com/ for more!

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